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    Nerf tanks

    ´Tanks are currently the most powerful class in the game, especially certain off-tanks like Khan, Atlas and Makoa.(most of the time in pro play 3 of the 4 bans, if not all the bans, are tanks). Why are they op?
    Khan: it's absolutely ridiculous. Khan isn't a tank, he is a damage dealer with double the health pool. He has 961 DPS with Storm of Bullets (and that's without any headshot), his damage output is higher than some of the damage dealers. He can win almost any 1v1 in the game, he can just run into you and kill you. His weapon is extremely easy to use. Why does a tank have such high damage output while having double the health pool of a non-tank champion, plus having two self-sustain abilities in his shout and shield. It's just insane. Just nerf his damage to 600 DPS or so, so he can't just stupidly run into you and kill you. His ult is also insanely strong, just a free pick on someone.
    Atlas: Pretty much same thing as Khan, he can just run into you and kill you. A damage dealer with double the health pool (even 4 times the health pool because he has a free non-cauterized heal). He can win almost any 1v1 in the game. On close range he can even shoot you for 1350 (which is more than sniper shot, it's just insane). Nerf his damage output to 600 a shot. Apart from that there is zero counterplay to his shield, it could also use a change (lower the duration from 5 to 4 seconds). He is banned in almost all the pro games.
    Makoa: Hook is like a guaranteed kill every 10 seconds. He can't run into you and just kill you as easily as Khan or Atlas, but his hook is a guaranteed kill every 10 seconds if your team is around to shoot the enemy.. At least make it affected by resilience (like the length how far you are pulled, if you have Resil 3 you should only get pulled 10% of the hook length).
    Ash: I think she's fine, the only ridiculous thing about her is her ult, a two second stun (which will result in one, if not more kills in 90% of the cases), damage immunity for 8 seconds, plus a bit of damage, it's easily one of the best ults in the game. Remove either the 600 damage, or shorten the stun to 1s (or just remove stun and replace it with a knockback), her ult is definitely too strong.

    The main problem of tanks is their insane damage output (Atlas and Khan) so they can just run into you and kill you. They control the pace of the game too much because nobody can take a fight against them. Nerf their damage output and some tank ultimates. There's a reason why these tanks are banned very often in top level play.

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    One of the worst propositions out there. You seem to dislike tanks, while they and their kit was nerfed repeatedly before, except Atlas. Khan was nerfed, both on a talent and Ult, Ash was nerfed. Insane damage output from tanks? Never heard of debilitate or street justice then? Most of flanks can shred a tank due to a too high damage output from a class that should be about mobility, not insanely high dps, and that not even counting normal dmg champs who can kill tanks easily as well. And its a very good thing the game still has tanks which are not just bullet sponges.

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    tanks are only focus on survivability they dont have good burst dmg and their easy to take down if you got skills the only way to take down tank are skills, good aim and lots of skills.

    i can 1v1 a makoa or a khan just using sha lin

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    In general I agree. Tanks are the least attractive class to play. There are just played because they are so effective. So nerf them and make them more fun in exchange.

    But a nerf for Atlas. This is mean. No one picks the poor guy and if, it's usually a loss. By the way. "he can just run into you and kill you." Perhaps the idea is to avoid running into tanks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3RC3N4RI0 View Post
    In general I agree. Tanks are the least attractive class to play. There are just played because they are so effective. So nerf them and make them more fun in exchange.

    But a nerf for Atlas. This is mean. No one picks the poor guy and if, it's usually a loss. By the way. "he can just run into you and kill you." Perhaps the idea is to avoid running into tanks?
    This is completely true for torvald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averey View Post
    while they and their kit was nerfed repeatedly before, except Atlas. Insane damage output from tanks? Never heard of debilitate or street justice then? Most of flanks can shred a tank due to a too high damage output from a class that should be about mobility, not insanely high dps, and that not even counting normal dmg champs who can kill tanks easily as well. And its a very good thing the game still has tanks which are not just bullet sponges.
    1. Only cuz they got nerfed doesn't mean they aren't good. In fact tanks are still the most prioritized class in the draft, even in pro play.
    2. "normal damage champs who can kill tanks easily as well" Name one damage champion who can 1v1 a Khan or Atlas. Exactly, nobody. They can just run into you and kill you. Khan has about 1000 DPS, that's more DPS than some damage champions. Atlas has 4 times of a damage champions's HP pool and also high damage.
    3. If you had ever played against a 4 tank comp you'd understand. They can run into you, you can't 1v1 them, they are like damage champions but with 2 times bigger hp pools (and tank ults are also the strongest ults in the game, Ash, Koa, Khan, easily among the best ults in the game)

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    Fernando is literally the only balanced tank because he can't just stupidly run into you and kill you due to his balanced damage output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schachmaty View Post
    1. Only cuz they got nerfed doesn't mean they aren't good. In fact tanks are still the most prioritized class in the draft, even in pro play.
    2. "normal damage champs who can kill tanks easily as well" Name one damage champion who can 1v1 a Khan or Atlas. Exactly, nobody. They can just run into you and kill you. Khan has about 1000 DPS, that's more DPS than some damage champions. Atlas has 4 times of a damage champions's HP pool and also high damage.
    3. If you had ever played against a 4 tank comp you'd understand. They can run into you, you can't 1v1 them, they are like damage champions but with 2 times bigger hp pools (and tank ults are also the strongest ults in the game, Ash, Koa, Khan, easily among the best ults in the game)
    Along with prioritizing dmg champions (Cassie, Lian), flanks and meta supports (recent example - Jenos, always either picked or banned). Dps are banned as well as tanks, don't just ignore it.
    1vs1 a tank as dps char? Easily done on many dmg champions - Tyra, Vivian can kill tanks easily, including Khan. I do not know if you saw a good damage Tyra or Vivian, probably not, but they are perfectly capable of doing so. Atlas is more tricky than Khan and can better shield himself due to being unaffected by wrecker, and he is the only one which would need some adjustment. Rest are easily killed, and not even mentioning very strong flank choices vs tanks like Skye shredding them with Debilitate or Talus being a viable tank buster as well.
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    Tyra, Vivian can never 1v1 a full hp Khan (he can grab her through her shield) or Atlas (if he uses Deja-Vu he can just setback if she shields), or Makoa (okay, Vivian can maybe win if she has her shield up, but if Koa has ult, he still wins). Speaking of Makoa, he basically has 15 000 hp if he has his ult, which means he can just stupidly run into you and heavily overextend, and he won't get punished for it cuz he has his brainless Auto win button. Same with Ash, her ult is also a stupid auto-win-buton. Even if she completely messes up and overextends, she can just ult. Okay, DPSes are banned sometimes in high elo play (like Tyra, Cassie, Maeve, Evie, Lian), but most of the time 2-3, sometimes even 4 tanks (Torv, Khan, Atlas, Makoa) are banned.

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    You must not play tank at all. If you did you would kmow how easy they are to counter. However you are correct that Khan and Atlas are over tuned in damage output.

    Koa has 650 a shot per second and his shield cool down is super high. Khan can heal him self and put his shield up and down when ever and does crazy. damage.

    Atlas just does to must damage period

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