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    andro is good sure andro need a CQC range but his a very versatile type while cassie only roll once, andro got 1 block and 1 dash even if cassie got burst dmg andro got the high ground.

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    One of andros biggest flaws is survivability and self sustain, many of the other flanks have more options for healing in their kits then andro does.

    Honestly I think the duration of reversal is pretty easily read, which is one of his biggest downsides.
    A big upgrade would be to extend his reversal time and all it to be triggered again at any time to cancel and fire it after a short delay.
    Giving reversal more time would allow more of a de-cauterise window to gain burst healing and absorb more damage.

    Giving Andro an amp in his survival skills would be a good move to tone back his damage somewhat.
    He draws upon too much support priority unless he can make kills.

    His talents are not really intesting tbh, they offer vaients on how to play like burst glass cannon duelist but they do not actually tool kit androx in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schachmaty View Post
    "highest DPS in the game" 208 damage every 0.36 seconds. That's about 600 DPS. That's a joke. Cassie can deal 2160 in 0.75 seconds if she uses impulse (on any range, that is). Androxus can only deal with damage if he is directly in someone's face. Against good players who have game sense you can't just go easily in their face cuz they will already spot you before you even get close to them and will burst you down. Pro players never pick him in competitive matches at all cuz he has no range.
    Wow, where did you get these random numbers? Androxus does 520 dmg every 0.36 seconds. Cassie does 680 dmg every 0.75 seconds. Now do the maths. Also consider that Andro can do headshots, Cassie cannot.
    Andro easily has the tools to get in the face, either drop down from above gliding that nobody else can (z1unknown has shown a bug in a stream/video that it makes no sound when you tap the button instead of holding it), or you can just dash in and unload the gun with its ridiculous damage output. If sombody tries to outdamage you (which nobody can) you can just put up your reversal. The only one on the field who can ruin your day is Makoa, as he can hook you when you have your reversal up, everyone else just dies. Or if you try to attack 3+ enemies at once.
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    Androxus was turned into the Spam Lord for more damage than any other champion.

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    208 damage is the minimum damage of his gun. And you can go to shooting range and test yourself, how insane his damage dropoff is. He can't outtrade anyone on mid- to long range. And against grouped up teams that are aware of what's happening around them and who don't have tunnel vision you can't do much at all. That's why Maeve and Evie are the only good flanks right now in the meta. Maeve has good poke and she has range, good mobility and good self-sustain. Evie has a very safe way to get in and out of fights and she has good mobility, and her weapon also has decent range. Androxus has nothing, no good poke, little mobility compared to Maeve and Evie, in order to do damage he needs to be directly in someone's face and thus be very vulnerable. He may work in casual where there are no tanks on the enemy team, but in ranked against 2 tanks, not a chance.

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    Lol, just lol. The only reason why Evie is "meta" is her unbalanced worm hole talent nonsense.
    And Maeve's street justice can easily delete 2 tanks. Also her other talent that gives her a 30% damage boost.

    You only bring up champions that need a nerf, especially Cassie. If champions like Cassie and Lian would get the same treatment as Dredge, not being able to combine a skill shot between the normal shots, we would have a more balanced game. But as long as nothing is done against the bursts, we will not have balance in the realm.

    Also why try to snipe with Andro? You simply don't do that. Andro has the tools to get close with ease. You don't play Kinessa as a close range champion either, do you?
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    Androxus was turned into the Spam Lord for more damage than any other champion.

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    Good enemies that are aware of their surroundings will spot you before you even get close to them. Good players don't isolate themselves completely (so your teammates can help when someone is in danger). Even IF you manage to get close to them, you won't get out anymore. You can't consistently reset your dashes because Abyssal Touch was cut in half. You can get in, but you can't get out. The card that resets dashes when hitting a reversal is very inconsistent, because the enemies can just time their movement ability to dodge it or go behind cover to dodge the reversal and you won't get your dashes back. And you become a sitting duck in the enemy backline even if you somehow manage to get a kill and the entire enemy team can just go after you and kill you.
    Maeve and Evie don't have this problem at all, Maeve can deal damage from a safe distance without exposing herself and even if she goes in, she can reset all her movement abilities with her Q and get out, plus she has a smaller hitbox and she has damage reduction on pounce. Evie can go to a safe blink spot, blink above an enemy, shoot, soar, shoot again, and either blink back or finish the kill. She can always go back to safety if she doesn't get a kill, and she can poke from a safe distance without having to run into the enemies' face (again, good players will always group up, it's not like all the enemies are completely isolated and you can just pick them all up one by one) . And why exactly is Wormhole "nonsense" for you? it's the only thing that makes her good, it's the only little piece of mobility we still have in this game where it's only about burst, burst, and burst (only for console players who can't aim, and seemingly can't afford a PC). And if he's never picked in the Pro League, if even the pro's agree that he's not viable, you can be ensured that he isn't.

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    Androxus' puch reset build felt really cheap, and the punch damage was insane. I'd rather give him the three separate cooldowns for his dashes as one of his first talents did in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by CSX82 View Post
    Also why try to snipe with Andro? You simply don't do that. Andro has the tools to get close with ease. You don't play Kinessa as a close range champion either, do you?
    That just doesn't work. You can't play Andro that risky in his current state.

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    -his punch dmg should be increased to 600, on par with Zhin counter, and put a 3 sec cooldown to make it fair
    -instead of having cursed revolver as talent, put it in base kit, so no more spam
    -give andro a 2 sec reversal instead of 1.4 sec, cuz 1.4 makes no sense and actually the reversal feels like 1 sec because the animation in the beginning and end counters as the reversal but doesn’t actually absorb damage
    -godlslayer should make his reversal shot AoE, but reduce the dmg to 600 or he’ll become very slippery with these the dash reset build
    -make base dash distance 25 units back to 35 units (it was a pointless nerf)

    Simple way to bring back proper andro. There’s no need for reversal shot in base kit because again, he’ll be too slippery.
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    I dont even like wormhole. Is it good yes. But i play snow globe and its not as survivable, but if your goal. is to win matchs its amazing.

    I dont like wormhole as it locks you jnto this chicken shit way of playing and if you dont want to blink back it screws you.

    I uae a soar build and do way more damage this way. Though i am using game since and possition instead of a talent to stay alive.

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    The same can be said about half the character selection sheet, especially the Flank category. Androxus doesn't deserve any special attention.

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